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		<title>Comment on life (in beijing) is a highway. by szkolenia bhp gliwice</title>
		<link>http://sundaylovers.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/life-in-beijing-is-a-highway/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>szkolenia bhp gliwice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, i agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, i agree.</p>
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		<title>Comment on modern sky festival schedule! by Mae</title>
		<link>http://sundaylovers.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/modern-sky-festival-schedule/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Mae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve actually been trying to find AK-47&#039;s website or at least somewhere to listen to them. I know they performed at the Modern Sky Music Festival, but I haven&#039;t been able to find any links.... Do you know where I can go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually been trying to find AK-47&#8217;s website or at least somewhere to listen to them. I know they performed at the Modern Sky Music Festival, but I haven&#8217;t been able to find any links&#8230;. Do you know where I can go?</p>
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		<title>Comment on hang the police? by a little break. &#171; sundaylovers.</title>
		<link>http://sundaylovers.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/hang-the-police/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>a little break. &#171; sundaylovers.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the fledgling experimental music scene here in Beijing &#8212; after the recent debates in the comments section regarding good and bad international press, I think this article is a perfect example of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the fledgling experimental music scene here in Beijing &#8212; after the recent debates in the comments section regarding good and bad international press, I think this article is a perfect example of the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on hang the police? by sundaylovers</title>
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		<dc:creator>sundaylovers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damn, Ed is always one step ahead of me. by 3 minutes, in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn, Ed is always one step ahead of me. by 3 minutes, in fact.</p>
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		<title>Comment on hang the police? by sundaylovers</title>
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		<dc:creator>sundaylovers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Busy boy, Ian! Are you back in the middle kingdom now?

I don&#039;t think we&#039;re talking about media sponsored scenes, or arguing that Beijing&#039;s music scene needs international validation to exist, but lets not deny the simple fact that the act of cultivating music and art is vastly different here than it would be in any developed Western country. Still, when the majority of Chinese bands wear their Western influences on their sleeves, it&#039;s impossible to say that they themselves don&#039;t need or want the attention, if only to further convince them that they too can have the American dream!

Also, don&#039;t you think it&#039;s a bit idealistic and naive to say that musicians anywhere in the world are simply content with &quot;enjoying the music&quot;? This is sadly true for a smaller portion of artists than we&#039;d like to admit and rightly so. Art is art whether or not anyone sees it or calls it as such, but art develops and thrives in an enviroment that encourages and rewards it. 

Yes, there are alot of good bands in China who have been making great music for years without any kind of outside influence or attention, but I can&#039;t think of a single band who wouldn&#039;t jump hoops to be signed to SubPop and given an advance to record albums or do a world tour. It&#039;s the continuous coverage of and discussion of Chinese bands that will enable this to happen, whether or not the interest is valid or simply a case of watching monkeys in a cage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Busy boy, Ian! Are you back in the middle kingdom now?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re talking about media sponsored scenes, or arguing that Beijing&#8217;s music scene needs international validation to exist, but lets not deny the simple fact that the act of cultivating music and art is vastly different here than it would be in any developed Western country. Still, when the majority of Chinese bands wear their Western influences on their sleeves, it&#8217;s impossible to say that they themselves don&#8217;t need or want the attention, if only to further convince them that they too can have the American dream!</p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t you think it&#8217;s a bit idealistic and naive to say that musicians anywhere in the world are simply content with &#8220;enjoying the music&#8221;? This is sadly true for a smaller portion of artists than we&#8217;d like to admit and rightly so. Art is art whether or not anyone sees it or calls it as such, but art develops and thrives in an enviroment that encourages and rewards it. </p>
<p>Yes, there are alot of good bands in China who have been making great music for years without any kind of outside influence or attention, but I can&#8217;t think of a single band who wouldn&#8217;t jump hoops to be signed to SubPop and given an advance to record albums or do a world tour. It&#8217;s the continuous coverage of and discussion of Chinese bands that will enable this to happen, whether or not the interest is valid or simply a case of watching monkeys in a cage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on hang the police? by edpeto</title>
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		<dc:creator>edpeto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian Sherman calling a debate about music (or any debate for that matter) pointless?! I&#039;ve seen you debating for three months over whether or not to trim your goatee.

While I agree with the sentiment that music should be it&#039;s own reward, I think this is a little naive. Playing for it&#039;s own rewards is certainly a part of music but peer acknowledgement, rooms of screaming fans, newspaper headlines and the ability to do what you love for a living are all equally important factors. Like it or not, validation, even from the smallest audience, let alone the international media, is a driving force behind even some of your hallowed bands.

I&#039;m not suggesting that it is important to have international attention for the success of Beijing&#039;s live scene. I&#039;m suggesting, as a separate point, that any international observers, or people who want Beijing to get international plaudits, should wait a while and not ruin a good thing before it is ready.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian Sherman calling a debate about music (or any debate for that matter) pointless?! I&#8217;ve seen you debating for three months over whether or not to trim your goatee.</p>
<p>While I agree with the sentiment that music should be it&#8217;s own reward, I think this is a little naive. Playing for it&#8217;s own rewards is certainly a part of music but peer acknowledgement, rooms of screaming fans, newspaper headlines and the ability to do what you love for a living are all equally important factors. Like it or not, validation, even from the smallest audience, let alone the international media, is a driving force behind even some of your hallowed bands.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that it is important to have international attention for the success of Beijing&#8217;s live scene. I&#8217;m suggesting, as a separate point, that any international observers, or people who want Beijing to get international plaudits, should wait a while and not ruin a good thing before it is ready.</p>
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		<title>Comment on about. by pierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey hey!

its discop from lj

theres a chance ill be going to china in janurary! im excited at the chance.

send me an email!

p.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey hey!</p>
<p>its discop from lj</p>
<p>theres a chance ill be going to china in janurary! im excited at the chance.</p>
<p>send me an email!</p>
<p>p.</p>
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		<title>Comment on hang the police? by Ian Sherman</title>
		<link>http://sundaylovers.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/hang-the-police/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. Why on earth would it matter if &#039;the rest of the world lost its interest&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Why on earth would it matter if &#8216;the rest of the world lost its interest&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on hang the police? by Ian Sherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see the doors of this particular debate being flung wide open. Actually, I don&#039;t think there is a debate - it&#039;s both premature and pointless. Beijing&#039;s doing fine on its own. Overseas press hitting town for a couple of days is also fine, but why the incessant need for international validation. Music is its own reward - or should be. Beijing has some great things going, why not just let it develop on its own. Frankly, media sponsored &#039;scenes&#039; are the last thing anyplace needs (and generally tend to happen a year or two after the actual music was being made) - media attention has destroyed any musical scene it has ever been focussed on - London 65, SF 67, New York/London 76, London 88, all decimated by media attention. This kind of media attention only ever works when it is retrospective - New York in the late 60s/early seventies, Detroit 69, Krautrock, etc. All were thoroughly productive moments in musical history that flourished, quietly, without any kind of attention. Do please bare that in mind. 

There is obviously a scene (lower case) in Beijing, but there is no SCENE (upper case). Why not just enjoy the music. I don&#039;t get the need to be part of a SCENE. Is it a &#039;legacy&#039; thing, something for dustjackets.

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Also, I remain firmly convinced that most overseas press interest is still very much of the &#039;Well, golly gee, those Chinese aren&#039;t queuing for bread, and hey guess what they can afford intruments&#039; school of thought, rather than the &#039;Hey, we&#039;re really interested in the actual music they&#039;re making with the intruments&#039;. Don&#039;t want to rain on anyone&#039;s parade, but it&#039;s still all about the novelty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see the doors of this particular debate being flung wide open. Actually, I don&#8217;t think there is a debate &#8211; it&#8217;s both premature and pointless. Beijing&#8217;s doing fine on its own. Overseas press hitting town for a couple of days is also fine, but why the incessant need for international validation. Music is its own reward &#8211; or should be. Beijing has some great things going, why not just let it develop on its own. Frankly, media sponsored &#8217;scenes&#8217; are the last thing anyplace needs (and generally tend to happen a year or two after the actual music was being made) &#8211; media attention has destroyed any musical scene it has ever been focussed on &#8211; London 65, SF 67, New York/London 76, London 88, all decimated by media attention. This kind of media attention only ever works when it is retrospective &#8211; New York in the late 60s/early seventies, Detroit 69, Krautrock, etc. All were thoroughly productive moments in musical history that flourished, quietly, without any kind of attention. Do please bare that in mind. </p>
<p>There is obviously a scene (lower case) in Beijing, but there is no SCENE (upper case). Why not just enjoy the music. I don&#8217;t get the need to be part of a SCENE. Is it a &#8216;legacy&#8217; thing, something for dustjackets.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Also, I remain firmly convinced that most overseas press interest is still very much of the &#8216;Well, golly gee, those Chinese aren&#8217;t queuing for bread, and hey guess what they can afford intruments&#8217; school of thought, rather than the &#8216;Hey, we&#8217;re really interested in the actual music they&#8217;re making with the intruments&#8217;. Don&#8217;t want to rain on anyone&#8217;s parade, but it&#8217;s still all about the novelty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on obligatory mention of something awesome. by edpeto</title>
		<link>http://sundaylovers.wordpress.com/2007/10/16/obligatory-mention-of-something-awesome/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>edpeto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I manage to blag my way past the Tagteam Communications Department and get an interview with the DJs themselves. What a scoop...

http://edpeto.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/pissing-on-the-bamboo-curtain/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I manage to blag my way past the Tagteam Communications Department and get an interview with the DJs themselves. What a scoop&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://edpeto.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/pissing-on-the-bamboo-curtain/" rel="nofollow">http://edpeto.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/pissing-on-the-bamboo-curtain/</a></p>
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